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« on: February 09, 2009, 07:45:48 PM »

> You climb inside the biotank and close the door. Relaxing music begins to
play as a pleasantly smelling gas fills the chamber.
> You drift into a strange dream from which you never awaken.
> Just a minute...
> You wake up in a hospital.
> You enter Salvation Hospital.


funny thing i noticed, but i think something is broken here :)
-10 renown hit as normal 'death' occured. maybe theles 4 need 'norescue' flag also ?

also, at theles final spire, exit to level 4 aint generated, (yes i know its reported bug), so if you are locked there as i was for last 4hours (real time) you must add one manually..

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« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2009, 02:34:39 AM »
I've manually hacked in a staircase to L4 before, too, though I managed to enrage the gardener and had to kill him.  I got the resulting message box and XP three times.  I also noticed that, much like the entrance from the spire, the hatch to leave didn't spawn.  All in all, good times.  :P

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« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2009, 04:47:05 AM »
Hah. Interesting. I've avoided the whole Theles block since I permanently lost a character to wander inside its upper hallways until death by old age.

Strange that gas should work though; you're wearing sealed armour, aren't you?

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« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2009, 07:10:19 AM »
well yea, i lost more than one character to decompression thus, the point is: if the gas mentioned there didnt work because of sealed armor - then what killed (and rescured :P) my toon?  

dont tell me its because tank is locked from outside, and poor cavalier starved to death inside, then the good guy called gardener bring him down to level one so they can reanimate him ;D

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« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2009, 07:32:29 AM »
Maybe you waking up in the hospital is part of the dream?

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« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2009, 03:28:08 PM »
Would it be possible for someone 'in the know' (EarthquakeDamage?) to post a step-by-step instruction to hacking in those staircases? I hit the block too, and lack the knowledge to fix it manually (or even to know where exactly to start).

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« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2009, 07:18:19 PM »
I don't know how to give step-by-step instructions, and it took a few tries to get it to work, but here goes...

First, you've got to figure out the basic save file structure.  It's all plain-text, so nearly any text editor will do (avoid word processors like Word, since they like to screw with the file format, and IIRC Notepad belches on large files).

The save file consists primarily (maybe entirely) of a large nested object tree.  Objects have the following format:

# # # # # <object type, size, &c>
...
# # # # <attributes>
...
-1
...
<all kinds of string data, like object names, character jobs, item descriptions>
...
Z
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<inventory:  other objects may be inserted here in their entirety, so the current inventory block may not terminate for a looong time>
...
-1
...
<installed subcomponents:  formatted like a second inventory block>
...
-1

To understand the attributes immediately following the object declaration (object type, size, and such), it helps refer to doc\typelist.txt for assistance.  I also recommend browsing the source code for constants as necessary.

To add the staircase, IIRC I searched until I found the contents of the area I was in (last level of final spire in this case).  I duplicated the staircase that takes me to the previous level, gave it a custom name, slightly changed its XY-coordinates, then changed its destination.  Changing the destination required finding the ID number of Theles L4.  You should be able to find that area's name by scanning the files in the series\ directory.  Search for the name to find it in your save file, then look for its declaration.  IIRC areas have their ID as one of the five #s in that line.

That's sort of the gist of it.

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« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2009, 09:31:33 AM »
gimme a sec, ill post the steps in a min or two;


okey lets go: get your character to theles spinner level 3.
save game.
MAKE BACKUP :D
open your save in editor of choice.
find
<Theles Spinner Fourth Level>
and check the highlighted value :

-1
0 -3 279 0 0
Stats 1 -31 2 32 3 22 5 1
0 0 2 1
0 0 1 1
0 7 10 2080899
0 21 6 2080988
0 21 1 2080898
0 -12 2 54
0 -12 1 60
0 21 2 2
-1
NAME <Theles Spinner Fourth Level>


now go to the beggining of file, scrol down till you see your char, more down till you notice something like

-1
0 15 5 0 0
Stats 4 274
0 -4 0 3
0 7 10 2581572
0 -1 0 3
0 -1 1 3
0 0 1 1
-1
ROGUECHAR <!>
NAME <Elevator>
desig <ENTRANCE 274>
use <>
msg1


now, change the bold'ed value to the value that you found elier, and check the underlines, cos they are x and y coords of the elevator.
try to use the elevator that have 3 3 coords by the way ;)
delete whole use and msg lines.
save and enjoy theles4.

ah, to get out of theles4 you have to do the same thing but change values to desired destination ie theles3.

enjoy.

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« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2009, 11:33:01 AM »
That works too, and more simply.  I added the staircase because I didn't know the layout of L4 at the time.  Since I wanted to appear in the correct spot on L4, I figured using stairs was a good idea.

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« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2009, 12:18:12 PM »
Yes, a lot simpler indeed. It cleared up the 'name after attributes' counter-intuivity, for one.

I have to wonder, though. Why put the gardener (and only him/her) in charge of the technocrats' life support? It would be a lot safer to automate that and use a human only as a backup in case there's a PC with EMP grenades running around.

I mean, what other explanation would there be for the game considering the technocrats dead after (if) the player kills the gardener?

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« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2009, 12:34:44 PM »
How said that the gardener is a human?
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There is a "Biotech" tag on him

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« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2009, 01:22:21 PM »
Dun dun dun dun! The plot thickens...
No, seriously. This answers the previous question, and raises another, colloquially asked as 'Where the hell did he come from?!'.

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« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2009, 04:59:52 PM »
The Theles Spinner stairs issue has been fixed, I think.

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« Reply #13 on: February 11, 2009, 07:29:44 PM »
here the hell did he come from?!'.
FCS put one there of course. FCS supposly are bunch of bastards.

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« Reply #14 on: February 11, 2009, 08:47:44 PM »
Quoting: Francisco Munoz
There is a "Biotech" tag on him


Wha?!  I didn't see anything that suggest he's anything that out of the ordinary.  He's crazy old, sure, but gene mods could account for that.  Then again, maybe I missed something.