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Offline JohnnyDmonic

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« on: October 18, 2007, 04:47:23 PM »
Given that it was called the Joseon Green Zone I'm assuming Joseon became Snake Lake, but where was Asan?  I can't think of any unaccounted for city that would be major enough to be included in the original Sunrise Pact.

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« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2007, 04:48:56 AM »
Actually, Asan and Joseon are both cities outside of the GH1 play area. Snake Lake didn't become a major city until after the Sunrise Pact was signed.

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« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2007, 02:08:53 PM »
Ahhhh.  That explains that.  And now I remember reading that about Snake Lake before, so yeah.  Well, that's why they call them theories. =)

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« Reply #3 on: October 20, 2007, 12:47:36 AM »
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Joseon the 'olde' name for the Korean peninsula?

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« Reply #4 on: October 20, 2007, 11:58:22 AM »
Quoting: Joseph Hewitt
Actually, Asan and Joseon are both cities outside of the GH1 play area.

This invalidates some things I thought I knew about GH1.  I'd always thought that the phrase "Joseon Green Zone" which I've heard refers to the GH1 area.

Possible explanations:

1. Asan and Joseon are beyond Nara, north of the playing map.  The green part of the worldmap does extend to the northern edge.

2. The FedTer "owns" more than one Greenzone.  GH1 takes place in one, while the two cities at issue are in the other.

3. "Greenzone" is a relative term.  The western and southern areas of the GH1 map may be unusable for farming, but still count as "Green" since if you have food, you can freely drive though without keeling over from radiation.  Then the "Joseon Green Zone" can be all of the GH1 map and more.

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« Reply #5 on: October 20, 2007, 12:45:19 PM »
How about east?  It is a lake not an ocean after all.

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« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2007, 06:21:26 AM »
Quoting: Michael

2. The FedTer "owns" more than one Greenzone. GH1 takes place in one, while the two cities at issue are in the other.


I assumed there were many Green Zones and that Green Zone merely meant "habitable area'. I also assumed Kist (for example)  is in Joseon Dead Zone and that the people who inhabit it are crazies outside the protection of the FedTer, like the people who still live in the irradiated area around Chernobyl that the government has given up trying to move into habitable areas. Wasteland inhabitants who prefer the solitude or size of the community or their traditional land, no matter how messed up it is. I'm just waxing here.

Doesn't the FedTer stretch all the way to eastern Europe? I assumed it was a patchwork of Green and Dead Zones until you reached, I dunno, the Ukraine or something, whereupon the entire map westward was pulverized into irradiated chalk dust.

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« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2007, 07:01:47 AM »
That makes a lot of sense, as does the other side of the lake but...for one thing that'd have to be an awfully big lake, and as for Joseon being in a seperate Greenzone, the question then would be why this one is called the Joseon Green Zone then.

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« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2007, 10:42:44 AM »
Big lake, sorta like Lake Erie or Lake Superior?

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« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2007, 07:33:26 PM »
The GH1 play area is in East Asia. around what was once the East Sea. I think I said once that each world map tile was 10 or 15 km across; in the Ladon quest, the explorer says that Tokto is several hundred kilometers south of Namok, which makes that scale about right. The coastline is much different that it is in the 20th Century due to megaengineering projects undertaken by the superpowers.

The Joseon Green Zone is very large, covering much of Northern Asia. Joseon itself is in what was once Russia. You are right that Joseon is an old name for what is now Korea; the more common spelling over here is "Choseon", though Joseon is more accurate to pronunciation for English speakers. I chose Joseon because of a pun- Joseon = "Joe's Son" = something created by Joe. The FedTer does include more than one green zone, though I haven't worked out all the details yet.

In-game, it's named the Joseon Green Zone because Joseon was the first city to rise to prominence after the night of fire. Namok has argued that the Joseon Green Zone should be separate from the Namok Green Zone, which extends into the Pacific ocean and is separated from the Joseon Green Zone by a band of now-reclaimed dead zone running through Gyori.

Green zones are areas in the world that support abundant life. Dead zones are areas which don't. By scientific (in-universe) definition a healthy desert would be counted as a green zone, but by popular definition most people would regard it as a dead zone. Using modern technology it is possible to reclaim all but the most heavily polluted of the dead zones, though this is very expensive.

I believe Kist is within the fringes of the green zone, but it has not been incorporated into the FedTer. By the time of GH2 it has been incorporated, and Markheim Fortress is considering joining as well.

There are two kinds of dead-zone residents: ravagers and fortress-dwellers. In general, they hate one another. Fortress-dwellers live in large, armored enclaves. Typically they rely on ancient technology or local micro-greenzones for food, water, and other necessities. Ravagers are nomads. It's generally believed that they move into an area, use up all its resources, and then move on. While this is true of some tribes, it's not true of all. Some ravager groups are true nomads, returning to the same places over a cycle of many years. All the major cities of GH1 started out as fortresses.

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« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2007, 03:04:25 AM »
Quoting: Joseph Hewitt
Namok has argued that the Joseon Green Zone should be separate from the Namok Green Zone, which extends into the Pacific ocean and is separated from the Joseon Green Zone by a band of now-reclaimed dead zone running through Gyori.

Now I'm more confused.  If the greenzone used to be broken at Gyori, then that implies that there were originally three greenzones -- an eastern one containing Namok, a northern one containing Nara (and possibly Joseon and Asan off the north edge), and a southern one containing most of the FedTer cities represented in GH1.

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« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2007, 04:01:38 AM »
You're absolutely right. I have no idea what I was thinking there- there's a note in my background book about "Namok/Joseon green zone name dispute" but doesn't go into detail.

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Gyori was originally part of the dead zone, in a stretch running from where Kist is down to the sea. If this were the division, it would cut off the bottom part of the zone but leave Namok in the upper zone.

Since that bit hasn't been mentioned in any game sources yet, best to just forget it. It could possibly work if the dead zone ran along the shore and inland to Gyori, but nah.