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Offline Burzmali

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Geardead Wiki spam invasion
« on: July 10, 2011, 06:26:21 PM »
I'm starting to see a significant uptick in spam pages on the wiki. I have it under control for now, but it is continuing to get worse.

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Re: Geardead Wiki spam invasion
« Reply #1 on: July 12, 2011, 11:26:53 PM »
Maybe put it in read only mode until someone wants to upgrade the filters?

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Re: Geardead Wiki spam invasion
« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2011, 01:54:27 PM »
Geardead wiki? o.0
At least the forum spam in pretty much under control.

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Re: Geardead Wiki spam invasion
« Reply #3 on: July 16, 2011, 07:50:52 PM »
Shhh, I was trying to fool the spambots!

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Re: Geardead Wiki spam invasion
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2011, 05:51:03 AM »
Anyway, this is what happens when you host your site on "a friend of a friend's" web server. Someone in the chain loses interest and you're screwed.

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Re: Geardead Wiki spam invasion
« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2011, 05:17:46 AM »
It's not just the GearHead wiki as there's SPAM on this forum, too. For that matter it's not just a problem for GearHead. There has been an EXPLOSION of spambots across the entire Internet. And Wiki's in particular are being targeted by those would would profit from SPAM ad revenue.

This is becoming a big enough issue that Google has taken notice. Google has a team working on the problem and investigating how SPAM infiltrates wiki's. I happen to know about this because I participate on the Dwarf Fortress wiki and read their SPAM reports.

From what I understand, it's becoming difficult for many administrators to keep on top of the SPAM. And they've tried all sorts of tricks and techniques to stop it. The CAPTCHA technique of identifying a sequence of letters and numbers as well as trick questions - like "what is the color of grass" - only go so far. (Most SPAM comes from 3rd world countries where the pay is pocket change.)

These days, I believe it can take rather drastic measures to thwart them. In particular, I'd recommend changing the code so that permission to post a link is disabled for new users until they make several posts or contributions.

Yes, it's often useful to have links on a wiki. But there are ways of having your cake and eating it too. For example, the DF Wiki has exemptions in the wiki code so that even a new user can share a DF Wiki link on their DF Wiki and they can post a link to their forum, but all other external links are blocked for new users. (They also prevent new users from modifying certain key pages, such as the main page.)

As for the SPAM on forums, if it gets bad enough I'd recommend having new users type in a short message explaining why they want to join and require someone to manually approve new members. For some online communities this was the only method they found that could thwart them.
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Re: Geardead Wiki spam invasion
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2011, 05:58:26 AM »
I've sent a message to Kornel about this, and he will upgrade the wiki when he gets back from wherever he's off to. He plans to add a mod to all Chaosforge wikis so that you can't edit the wiki unless you've posted at least once to the forum. We'll see how that works.

Burzmali, thanks for your heroic efforts on that front.

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Re: Geardead Wiki spam invasion
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2011, 11:41:46 AM »
The wiki is out of memory to generate image thumbnails. See:

http://gearheadrpg.com/wiki/index.php?title=Category:Character_portraits

Also, some wikis require Captcha images when inserting external links. Why doesn't this one?
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Re: Geardead Wiki spam invasion
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2011, 12:34:08 PM »
Also, some wikis require Captcha images when inserting external links. Why doesn't this one?

Well, no wonder the wiki is so infested with spambots. That said, these days Captcha alone is often not enough to block SPAM as they've found ways around it.

BTW: I noticed that most of the activity on the "Recent changes" list is spambots creating new accounts, spambots having account creation blocked, and countless pages of SPAM being deleted. This makes it difficult to find actual, legitimate content updates and contributions.

So, if you're going to have Kornel upgrade the wiki code, perhaps he can also see about moving the new accounts, SPAM blocks, and page deletion notifications from the "Recent changes" list to a separate page (called "Account changes", "Spam control" or similar). That would make the "Recent changes" list useful again. When I was following and contributing to the DF wiki I used their "Recent changes" page all the time.

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Re: Geardead Wiki spam invasion
« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2011, 08:53:51 PM »
I've sent a message to Kornel about this, and he will upgrade the wiki when he gets back from wherever he's off to. He plans to add a mod to all Chaosforge wikis so that you can't edit the wiki unless you've posted at least once to the forum. We'll see how that works.

I'm not sure that requiring new wiki members to post at least once to the forum would solve the SPAM invasion, considering how much SPAM I'm seeing on the forum now.

Speaking of which, I remember now how many other forums and online communities are dealing with SPAM. Many now have forum restrictions so that new members can post in reply to something, but are unable to start a new topic until they've posted several replies to existing threads. Usually, the requirement is something like 5 or 10 posts, but it's sometimes more. And, sometimes, they refuse to inform members how many posts are required.

I can see how such a restriction could discourage SPAM. (This is similar to the tactic of auto-disabling permission to post links for new members until they make several posts... which I still think is a good idea.) Like thieves avoiding targets that are well protected, spammers would prefer to stick with quick and easy targets. And when spammers create new topics just to advertise their junk, it's much more eye grabbing than if they merely posted SPAM in replies to legitimate topics.

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Re: Geardead Wiki spam invasion
« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2011, 01:19:43 AM »
The GearHead main page on the wiki was defaced again with SPAM. It's pretty bad when they deface your main page.  >:(  :-\  May I suggest "locking" key pages of the wiki (the ones not likely to have need of editing very often) so that only the administrators and certain individuals have the ability to change them?

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Re: Geardead Wiki spam invasion
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2011, 11:45:32 AM »
I'll clean it up again this evening, it's just been pretty bad lately and I don't really have the time to spend a half hour a day cleaning it up some days.

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Re: Geardead Wiki spam invasion
« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2011, 01:18:10 PM »
I don't blame you. I wouldn't want to spend half an hour a day cleaning up spam, either.

But, from what I've read, spam invasions on wikis are only going to get more frequent as time goes on. That's why it makes sense to try new techniques and change wiki permissions and/or policies to thwart spam from occurring in the first place.

I remember when the Dwarf Fortress Wiki used to get lots of spam attacks daily. But they had Wiki Talk online discussions of how to fight it and they came up with a plan. Now, when one looks at their Recent Changes page, it lists only real contributions. Spam attacks there are rare now and one can see from their Blocked User List that they only have to block spam users a few times a month now. It seems their strategy has really paid off.

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Re: Geardead Wiki spam invasion
« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2011, 02:34:46 PM »
I'm a lowly garbage cleaner, I can' t do much to make large scale changes. I'll protect the main page though, that makes sense.

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Re: Geardead Wiki spam invasion
« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2011, 03:44:04 PM »
Cleaning and protection complete.