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Offline Sabin Stargem

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« on: September 20, 2006, 04:32:17 AM »
I am wondering if Super-Robot types of mecha exist in the setting of Gearhead.  For those wondering what an Super Robot is, it is an kind of robot that follows a certain kind of theme.  They tend to be huge, unique, and often operate on technological or magical means that are not present in ordinary machines.  Mazinger Z, Big O, Megazord, Granteed Dracodeus, Gekiganger III, and several others are examples of such.   It also makes me wonder if the likes of aliens and strange artifacts could pop up as well.

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« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2006, 06:01:11 AM »
There are some super robots in GearHead, but they're closer to "Gundam Wing" power level than "Mazinger Z". Examples include the Argoseyer, Gladius, Anubis, Typhon, and of course the customized mecha built by many PCs.

Strange artifacts should continue to pop up in GH2. I don't think I'll include aliens in this setting, at least not any time in the foreseeable future. Looking back on what I've written so far (including GH1, and also the background information) it seems the GHU works as an existentialist humanist construct. All the good and evil in the world is the work of mankind; there are no angels or devils behind the scenes pulling the strings, and the nature of the future is based on the choices humanity makes. This is also why I don't want to add superhuman sentient robots or AIs to the setting; it would take away from the primacy of people in determining the nature of their world.

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« Reply #2 on: September 20, 2006, 07:04:19 AM »
Hrm...aliens don't actually have to be aliens as we know them.  Martian Successor Nadeisco and Robotech handled the basic concept of aliens in that the aliens tended to be offshoots of humanity, or humans that happened to come across technology that isn't human in nature.  Nadiesco was the latter case, while with Robotech the Zentradi were humans that were enlarged, and trained to not possess human tendencies.  At least, until those Zentradi came into direct contact with human culture.  Basically, humans become inhuman to outsiders due to isolation, which is an crucial ingredient to alienation.  The tools of such 'aliens' could furthen widen the resemblence gap, because in both the cases of the Zentradi and Jovians no traditional humans knew the truth.  Simply put, the technology looked different enough from a human's, that ultimately they were alien.

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« Reply #3 on: September 20, 2006, 07:20:23 AM »
Okay, this post reminds me of a question I've been wanting to ask. I'm not terribly knowledgeable about anime: what should I watch to get the feel of GH?

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« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2006, 04:16:20 PM »
Mainly, you should probably watch stuff featuring giant robots.

Mobile Suit Gundam, Zeta Gundam, and Macross are some of the really big ones that influenced a lot of giant robot anime since, and are probably your best bets to start with.

You could also watch Gundam X and Armored Trooper VOTOMS for the whole post-apocalyptic society with robots thing.

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« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2006, 06:12:50 PM »
Quoting: Joseph Hewitt
There are some super robots in GearHead, but they're closer to "Gundam Wing" power level than "Mazinger Z". Examples include the Argoseyer, Gladius, Anubis, Typhon, and of course the customized mecha built by many PCs.


The only super robot series for gundam is g gundam...  Gundam seed/destiny might count as kira is a coordinator w/ newtype powers and an ubergundam...

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« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2006, 06:56:30 PM »
Quoting: ARKARY
Mobile Suit Gundam, Zeta Gundam, and Macross are some of the really big ones that influenced a lot of giant robot anime since, and are probably your best bets to start with.

You could also watch Gundam X and Armored Trooper VOTOMS for the whole post-apocalyptic society with robots thing.


Thanks! Post-apocalyptic is always good.

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« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2006, 03:16:51 AM »
Quoting: draconuszero
The only super robot series for gundam is g gundam... Gundam seed/destiny might count as kira is a coordinator w/ newtype powers and an ubergundam...

I stand by my assertion that Gundam Wing is more super robot than real robot. Five color coded gundams piloted by teenage boys against the entire armed forces of Earth? They might not be as outrageous as the robots in G-Gundam, but they are considerably more outrageous than most real robots. I couldn't bring myself to watch Gundam Seed past the first few episodes so I can't comment on the robots there.

As for anime that has influenced GearHead, I would reccomend:
- Cowboy Bebop
- BubbleGum Crisis 2033 (haven't seen much of the new series so I can't comment)
  These two together helped define the role of cavaliers in GearHead. Part mercenary, part adventurer, part pop culture phenomenon.

- Gundam: 08th MS Team
- Gundam 0080
- Macross Plus
- Macross Zero
- Battle Angel
- ARIEL Visual

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« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2006, 06:45:23 AM »
Hmm...  let's see, explanations for strange artifacts and super-robots.  Even without aliens, there are lots of them:

* Lost technology.  Officially, technology overall has advanced since the Night of Fire, but given the extent of the devastation there's always room to say that the results of such-and-such a science program were forgotten after producing some super-item.

* Prototypes.  They could be given to the player for helping get things needed to research them ("Of course, it will be years until a commercial version hits the market, but here's a prototype to play around with!  Come back from time to time and tell me how it performs.")  There could even be a 'quest' consisting entirely of a scientist who gives the player a potentially dangerous prototype of some sort to play around with and report back on.  If it doesn't kill them, they can keep the prototype.  Or the player could steal one, of course.

A lot of the lesser anime super-robots fall into this category, don't they?  The hero is given the prototype of some totally new super-advanced mecha to play around with or something.

* Lab destroyed.  Space, when you think about it, makes a perfect spot for secluded, dangerous testing of experimental concepts.  It also makes a perfect spot for an experiment to go wrong and kill everyone present, leaving a dead research station for the player to explore, with a circle of dead scientists standing around a eerily glowing (but totally harmless, right?) artifact.  The player could be sent to investigate the station after communications die, and could choose to pocket the artifact and say nothing about it in their report.

* Secret technology.  Maybe there's a family out their with a robot that's been past down through generations, based on a technology that nobody else has been able to duplicate.  The leader of a science-based faction might have such a mecha...  maybe their grandfather killed the scientists who developed it to keep its secrets from getting out or something.  And what decent military wouldn't have secret technology of some sort or another?

* Banned technology.  Biotech robots fall into this category.  Maybe there's a robot out there that runs entirely on fresh embryos or liquefied people or something.  Of course, what's banned in one place might be legal somewhere else, so this is more for flavor than artifacts.

* Impossible to reproduce.  There might be some items whose technological secrets, even if understood, simply cannot be duplicated, or at least not mass-produced.  In anime these are usually 'mystical' robots powered by a human soul or something like that, but they don't have to be.  There could be a robot whose functioning depends on a fragment of an extremely rare element, for instance, one that was found on a stray astroid that was used to produce it but is not known to exist anywhere else in the solar system.  This could also extend to items that are restricted to a small subset of users...  perhaps only certain bio-engineered people could operate it, or those with absurdly high scientific or mystical abilities (some sort of 'mental amplifier').  Such things would effectively be artifacts, since there would be no purpose to mass-producing them.

...I still want a robot powered by rock & roll.  That would make the performance ability much more useful.  Come on, surely the big televised dueling leagues would go for a robot called the Hendrix that attacks with a guitar?

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« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2006, 07:48:47 AM »
Heh, I recommend everyone to watch Patlabor sometime.  It is an pretty neat giant mecha show in my opinion, mostly because it has an 'everyman' feel to it at most times.  That isn't to say it is unorginal, but rather it is quite interesting and human I think.  The Big O is another recommendation I have, and I think Joseph might be interested in it since it is about humanity, at some points.  Kind of like Evangelion, but less religious overtones.  Only downside is that the ending is pretty confusing, probably since there should have been a third season.  Alas, all good things end...

Now as to Aquillion's post, he pretty much got the emphasis I was thinking about where super robots were concerned.  Heh, so many possibilities...

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« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2006, 08:36:40 AM »
Quoting: Aquillion
...I still want a robot powered by rock & roll. That would make the performance ability much more useful. Come on, surely the big televised dueling leagues would go for a robot called the Hendrix that attacks with a guitar?


Neat idea. I'd like a SWTA-1 Satriani model, please.

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« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2006, 08:58:10 AM »
Yes, Patlabor! How could I forget that one? It's the only giant robot show that my wife and I watch together.

Aquillion- Lots of good ideas. As for a robot powered by rock and roll... we'll see.

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« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2006, 09:31:02 AM »
"By the will of Wolfgang, I call upon the Earth Orchestra!..."

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« Reply #13 on: September 22, 2006, 01:45:37 AM »
Quoting: RTP
..I still want a robot powered by rock & roll. That would make the performance ability much more useful. Come on, surely the big televised dueling leagues would go for a robot called the Hendrix that attacks with a guitar?

Macross 7 anyone?

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« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2006, 08:28:16 PM »
On the note of Bubblegum Crisis' 2032-33* setting:
Good thinking, mentioning that. Admittedly not terribly much like the GearHead setting, its ability to take seriously the elements of corporate warfare and non-humanoid mecha are important when considering the GearHead game and universe, which differ from mainstream mecha anime on multiple levels.
I will say that, in this instance, Patlabor might make for better context; less emphasis on powered armor, a major mecha element in BGC 2032-33, and more battroid mecha, as well as a larger and more mecha-enhanced role of a police force. (The police force in Bubblegum Crisis was slightly underfunded against the threats the Knight Sabers took on, although a detailed examination of their methods shows great competence!)
Likewise, Nadeisco is, in my experience, also more in the style of GearHead. Admittedly, it is, perhaps, a little too bound up in humanoid mecha to be fully applicable; as you might have guessed, few mecha series have GearHead's broad focus.

For some reason, a part of my wants to recommend Firefly for GearHead viewing.

* Bubblegum Crisis 2040 is a totally different series, well outside the fifty-year chronology of the 2032-33 series. Comparisons usually don't work terribly well, sometimes placing the fans in opposite camps. Other BGC 2032-33 related series are ADPolice Files (as opposed to 2040's ADPolice: To Serve and Protect) and Bubblegum Crash!, which gets mixed reviews.