GearHead on Wikipedia?

[xpace]

Even though it's not the most reliable of sources, I often find myself referring to Wikipedia. And these days it seems to have an article for just about every subject worth thinking about. For instance, it already has an article for most any game you can think of, include some indies and long-forgotten underdog classics.

Anyway, looked up GearHead to see if they had anything to say:

GearHead

What caught my attention was this:

This page has been deleted. The deletion and move log for the page are provided below for reference.

Apparently, at one time someone had something to say about the name. (Whether or not it had anything to do with the game we know, I'm not sure.) And it got deleted, restored, and deleted again during 2007.

I'm not currently registered with Wikipedia as an author, so I couldn't check further. However, do you think it would be worthwhile for someone to write up a brief description to submit to Wikipedia?

Edit: I just found this old GearHead Wikipedia page in danger! thread from a couple years ago that partially addressed this problem. (But all that was managed was a temporary fix.)

[Phil Munoz]

Wikipedia.  I think it would be too much trouble to try and keep a page there.  There's a lot of citation and notability nazis out there with an itchy deletion finger.

I think the article on the Rogue-like subgenre would need to be expanded upon first, and then maybe a list of roguelikes then maybe gearhead could be listed there.   Even then, I think someone somewhere out there will want to delete the Gearhead wikepedia page.  Gearhead simply does not have enough stuff to back its citations and whatever on wikipedia.

[Joseph Hewitt]

GearHead still has a page on the Japanese wikipedia, from which we get a fair number of visitors. I say wait until GH2 is a bit more polished, then I'll do some promotion of it.

[SharkD]

Here's a link to the actual deletion discussion:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_fo r_deletion/GearHead

[Skulkraken]

It isn't really worth the effort to try to get the game listed again on Wikipedia.  The game would need to have multiple, LENGTHY articles written about it in order to satisfy the demands of the wiki-nazis.  Even then, I think those people would still complain about it.

[Snakebit STI]

IAR? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:What_%22Ign ore_all_rules%22_means
As long as the article is succinct, giving only general information about the game, should there really be a problem? As far as I can tell, Gearhead has more notability than several of the roguelikes (and barely-roguelikes which are still listed as such) on Wikipedia.

[xpace]

Unfortunately, the Powers That Be over on Wikipedia do not use the same definition of "notability" or "reliable sources" as you or I. :angry: Apparently (from reading the old posts and discussion), the reason they deleted the old page was because GearHead was not featured on a popular, mainstream gaming magazine or website - something they might consider reliable, unbiased info. (This, despite the fact that GH1 was included on a CD that came with an issue of PC Gamer.)

I'm afraid Mr. Hewitt has the right idea, waiting until GH2 is finished and then publicizing and advertising the heck out of it until it gets some significant reviews. At that point, the Wikipedia goons can't deny that it even exists.

BTW: I get the impression that the bad reputation Wikipedia gained for false and biased info has led to an overblown reaction - the opposite extreme. Nevermind that it's become so bloated that it's impossible for them to read and monitor all changes, now they seem ultra-picky about allowing new subject matter.

[Vair]

I just presume that some moderator there is rather not flexible and  - at least giving impression like that as I don't know him personally and cannot be sure - since he made some decision, having his head oh so unfortunately stuck up in his bum makes him rather unable to see that situation of the game changed and it's not some practically unknown, unplayable piece of code no one in freeware games world knows.

 Maybe simple message 'Here's the game's website, here's some press mention, here - links to hellload of stuff on wikipedia that doesn't have even that. Now, do you have any reasons to not let the game page be that doesn't fit any other of games presented in the links or you just want to show-off your moderating abilities (no matter what we would say about their quality)?' would change some stuff. Or, as we can also presume this possibility, would make one guy somewhere there rather irritated, because 'THEYR NOT RESPECTIN MAH AUTHORITEE'.

 

Quoting: xpace

I'm afraid Mr. Hewitt has the right idea, waiting until GH2 is finished and then publicizing and advertising the heck out of it until it gets some significant reviews. At that point, the Wikipedia goons can't deny that it even exists.

 I am not psychology major but as far as I know people, in this case it's just someone having some problem with this wikipedia entry on more personal level. Or someone else just had bad luck on posting it on High-Op's bad day and since first decision, they will not change it eagerly (but that I've said already). If they will not want it, they will find a reason to decide game shouldn't be there. Gearhead already allows a player to do more than many other games did in the past and is to some extent completed - you can play and you can even finish it.

 We can have slight hope that 'High and Mighty' there will lighten up after some time. Tho I would just ignore whole problem and not post any entry - sure, it should be there and could also work as simple advertisement but many great freeware games weren't mentioned there and got enough of fandom, community and deserved cheers. And as - no matter how fun - just a game it is, it's not that overly big deal anyway.

 Just let it develop and me - play it, and I will not care whether it's reviewed anywhere.

[SharkD]

You could submit the game to MobyGames however. They welcome submissions.

[KnightlyCat]

And/or put a page up on the TvTropes wiki. They'll welcome just about anything.

[Joseph Hewitt]

Ooh, TVTropes.

[Snakebit STI]

The black hole of the internet. Not even your time can escape...

[Ramidel]

...huh? The vote was even.

That said, if it pops up on Wiki again, we can always riot en masse to keep it against the second delete attempt.

[xpace]

Quoting: Snakebit STI

Not even your time can escape...

XD
It's funny 'cause it's true.
I could spend all day on TVTropes and probably not even realize it.

[SharkD]

Quoting: Ramidel

That said, if it pops up on Wiki again, we can always riot en masse to keep it against the second delete attempt.

Won't work. It will get deleted again.